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Re: MSA TORA Sebring 12H - General Discussion

Post by xebot360 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 9:09

TSR Noodle wrote:Well hasn't this gotten interesting since this started? Three lobbies would be a good idea, but if they can't handle that many teams fair enough.

As for the teams debate, there should be a limit on cars entered per team I think. If one team takes up so many spaces, then the smaller new teams entering don't stand a chance of getting in. We tried to fit four cars on the list but one missed out, which seeing as there are new teams is only fair on them, but for others who entered several cars and made it in, it puts teams like FailRace out of a drive.

From this, either a higher car limit must be imposed, or a limit on the number of cars per team (Three or four would be ideal). We cant just use the size of our teams as an excuse, as this a series for all to enter, not for us to take over and bully newcomers out of the playground.

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It's gonna kill off any new teams wanting to enter TORA really cause stuff like this happening means they won't be able to enter :/

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Post by xebot360 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 9:15

Nothing against the HCR guys, but they're taking up 1/6 (ish) with their entries and tbh, that's a bit unfair when you consider that some of the teams won't be running the 24 hour races. Ik other teams have done it too but this just seems way unfair on others wanting to enter

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Post by HaydieT on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 11:56

What is unfair about letting the people who ran at Daytona decide if they want to carry on racing in a championship that they have completed the first round of? I understand it sucks that people want to race but if we don't have the manpower to have 3 lobbies then this is the fairest way to do it
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Post by Rubber Trail on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:06

I can understand that it takes a lot of effort to set up one of these endurance events. But we get screwed over by a change in the sign up that should've been sorted out before it opened to new teams. We are way down the reserves list now because of that. It basically is down to pure luck who races now, and I call that bs.
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Post by Kegerton86 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:20

HaydieT wrote:What is unfair about letting the people who ran at Daytona decide if they want to carry on racing in a championship that they have completed the first round of? I understand it sucks that people want to race but if we don't have the manpower to have 3 lobbies then this is the fairest way to do it
 If you haven't got the man power then start recruiting some more man power I know a lot of people who wouldn't mind hosting lobbies such as myself who have great internet and the resources too host. What everyones getting at is HCR have way to many teams for the amount of teams allowed to enter, now I'm all up for them having 7 cars as they currently do but then that means every team which is entered into this series should also be allowed 7 cars if they wish and some cant even have 1 which is unfair and unsportsman like. To have a fair racing championship everything has to be equal and down the line otherwise you will have massive problems later down the line with the team championships for example, if Team A has 1 car in the GTE championship and wins every race but then HCR take 2,3,4 in all the races they wine the team championship all because Team A couldn't enter a second car because of space limitations that is not fair I would sya to be fair limit Teams to 3 cars, 1 LMP and 2 GT cars or visa - versa or something which is fair or have more lobbies. This is of course not a dig at HCR because its not their fault they have 7 cars they are allowed them under the current rules this is a wake up call to those organising the championship obviously. I hope this problem gets rectified ASAP to allow other teams a chance to experience this wonderful series.

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Post by Sub Zero Nova 2 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:31

HaydieT wrote:What is unfair about letting the people who ran at Daytona decide if they want to carry on racing in a championship that they have completed the first round of? I understand it sucks that people want to race but if we don't have the manpower to have 3 lobbies then this is the fairest way to do it

Surley then teams that have drivers that have already competed should get higher in the reserve then? I.E myself and Xebot as we both compleated daytona?
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Post by Sub Zero Nova 2 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:33

I Understand that We dont have the man power, Despite the fact we have tons of marshalls and community team members at our beck and call.

but unfortunatley this is life and at the current moment i am pissed off i will admit but we have to work through it, so be ready when next sign in happens i guess.

I am still for a car cap tho...
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Post by Sub Zero Nova 2 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:35

Rubber Trail wrote:Let me get this straight, teams like the one I drive for ( FailRace Motorsport ) and others might not drive ( meaning all the time invested in preparing would be lost ) simply because we signed up, at the time allowed, nd then suddenly you guys change something for the sign-ups, while we signed up perfectly fine. Therefor we get pushed down to reserves, and have the chance of not racing since we cant be online all day to see those changes, or because you guys dont want a third lobby. I mean, the teams do an awful lot of preparing for this ( atleast the new ones probably do like us ) and then dont get to race because of something like that. I dont call that fair.

Matey its life
its still more organised than FR
best bet is practice for Monza and hope you get back in
gives you plenty of time to prepare and get some off those........drivers.....registered
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Post by HaydieT on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:41

Kegerton, the team championship doesn't work like that if a team wins every race that team will win the championship irrespective of how many cars another team has. I will have a look this week to see what is possible with the amount of lobbies that can be made up but don't expect anything as I don't have the final say in anything all I can do is make a suggestion.
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Re: MSA TORA Sebring 12H - General Discussion

Post by StaticSh33p on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:42

Sub Zero Nova 2 wrote:
Rubber Trail wrote:Let me get this straight, teams like the one I drive for ( FailRace Motorsport ) and others might not drive ( meaning all the time invested in preparing would be lost ) simply because we signed up, at the time allowed, nd then suddenly you guys change something for the sign-ups, while we signed up perfectly fine. Therefor we get pushed down to reserves, and have the chance of not racing since we cant be online all day to see those changes, or because you guys dont want a third lobby. I mean, the teams do an awful lot of preparing for this ( atleast the new ones probably do like us ) and then dont get to race because of something like that. I dont call that fair.

Matey its life
its still more organised than FR
best bet is practice for Monza and hope you get back in
gives you plenty of time to prepare and get some off those........drivers.....registered

Yes, but at FR people don't get screwed out of starting in races by people changing sign-up methods...

It feels like only certain teams are wanted in this, and that other new teams and ourselves aren't particularly welcome here. That's what I'm getting from all this.
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Post by Kegerton86 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:42

Sub Zero Nova 2 wrote:I Understand that We dont have the man power, Despite the fact we have tons of marshalls and community team members at our beck and call.

but unfortunatley this is life and at the current moment i am pissed off i will admit but we have to work through it, so be ready when next sign in happens i guess.

I am still for a car cap tho...
You do know I'm in the same team you don't you lol

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Post by Rubber Trail on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:42

Sub Zero Nova 2 wrote:
Rubber Trail wrote:Let me get this straight, teams like the one I drive for ( FailRace Motorsport ) and others might not drive ( meaning all the time invested in preparing would be lost ) simply because we signed up, at the time allowed, nd then suddenly you guys change something for the sign-ups, while we signed up perfectly fine. Therefor we get pushed down to reserves, and have the chance of not racing since we cant be online all day to see those changes, or because you guys dont want a third lobby. I mean, the teams do an awful lot of preparing for this ( atleast the new ones probably do like us ) and then dont get to race because of something like that. I dont call that fair.

Matey its life
its still more organised than FR
best bet is practice for Monza and hope you get back in
gives you plenty of time to prepare and get some off those........drivers.....registered
First of, we are not mates. And secondly, you call changing things when it should have been done organised? I dont. And running 6 HCR teams. The smaller teams just dont get a chance
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Post by AdamWatson99 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:54

If your saying HCR shouldn't run 6 cars. Put it into real life situation
Do you want to tell AF Corse not to run 6+ Cars at Le Mans this year or Aston Martin Racing not to run 5 cars in 2015. If they have the drivers then they can. it might seem unfair but there was a cap of 40 at Daytona and that carried on to Sebring. Sorry that you didn't make the cut but if a team pull out like there was a Daytona you might still get to race so don't doubt your chances just yet





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Post by StaticSh33p on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 12:57

AdamWatson99 wrote:If your saying HCR shouldn't run 6 cars. Put it into real life situation
Do you want to tell AF Corse not to run 6+ Cars at Le Mans this year or Aston Martin Racing not to run 5 cars in 2015. If they have the drivers then they can. it might seem unfair but there was a cap of 40 at Daytona and that carried on to Sebring. Sorry that you didn't make the cut but if a team pull out like there was a Daytona you might still get to race so don't doubt your chances just yet

But is there an un-necessarily tight restriction on the grid size in real life? If you're going to allow a handful of teams to make up nearly the entire grid you have to give space for the people in smaller teams.
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Post by Kegerton86 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:00

HaydieT wrote:Kegerton, the team championship doesn't work like that if a team wins every race that team will win the championship irrespective of how many cars another team has. I will have a look this week to see what is possible with the amount of lobbies that can be made up but don't expect anything as I don't have the final say in anything all I can do is make a suggestion.
Right ok so its not a true championship then but anyways I'm gonna stop commenting now as it is clearly falling on deaf ears but hope it gets sorted soon.
Yes Adam you are correct but in Le Mans I have never in my 29 years seen a team told they cant race because their was a cap on cars that's why teams can enter so many cars I am not against HCR running 7 cars if everyone else can and BTW the team I'm in did make the cut I'm just fighting for those who are new to TORA who want a chance at racing in a decent league but I fear this will turn a lot of people away.

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Post by SorrySmithy on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:00

If you put a cap on team entries all you will get is people not being allowed to race because their team already has reached its driver limit.

Main reason lobbies got delayed at Daytona was double-stinting. So why not just stop double-stinting and that way you can have as many lobbies as you want. Designate one team per lobby as the host and another as backup host and you have solved your problem. Plus that way you also avoid the problem from daytona where drivers werent receiving invites as everyone would know who the lobby host was and exactly what time the stint time would be because of no delays due to double-stinting.

Simple fixes easy to implement.


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Post by Kegerton86 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:06

AdamWatson99 wrote:If your saying HCR shouldn't run 6 cars. Put it into real life situation
Do you want to tell AF Corse not to run 6+ Cars at Le Mans this year or Aston Martin Racing not to run 5 cars in 2015. If they have the drivers then they can. it might seem unfair but there was a cap of 40 at Daytona and that carried on to Sebring. Sorry that you didn't make the cut but if a team pull out like there was a Daytona you might still get to race so don't doubt your chances just yet
Also at Le Mans you have prequalifying rounds so smaller or new teams compete for a chance to race le mans so maybe that might be an idea?

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Post by AdamWatson99 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:08

Kegerton86 wrote:
I fear this will turn a lot of people away.

Kegerton, there are more series than just TEC that new people can take part in such as base Performance PGT. Its not just TEC that runs that people can take part in
The Cap is there to keep it running smoothly and more an we could be up at 4am still waiting for the last stint to finish.
Also there is a cap at Le Mans of 60 cars this year. That's how some teams are on reserve.





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Post by Kegerton86 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:14

AdamWatson99 wrote:
Kegerton86 wrote:
I fear this will turn a lot of people away.

Kegerton, there are more series than just TEC that new people can take part in such as base Performance PGT. Its not just TEC that runs that people can take part in
The Cap is there to keep it running smoothly and more an we could be up at 4am still waiting for the last stint to finish.
Also there is a cap at Le Mans of 60 cars this year. That's how some teams are on reserve.
You know what all your gonna do is argue instead of try and resolve issues and don't talk about Le mans until you know how entries work.

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Post by xVampirAx on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:16

i would like to point out that most real life series will have a limit to how many cars can compete in each round,like le mans for example has 55 cars plus the garage 56 for cars with new tech which might be used in the future.i have been here a longtime and they did run 3 or 4 lobbys when it was a endurance race but i guess the amount of work needed to do that is rather to much,i would certainty help to data in since i dont think i will be racing at sebring.
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Post by FranchittiFan on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:23

Staff have noticed talk about 3 lobbies for Sebring.

We would like to make it clear that we will be running 2 Lobbies at Sebring. This will ensure the race will run much smoother, along with the improvements we have made to the rules Since Daytona.
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Post by SorrySmithy on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:27

SorrySmithy wrote:Main reason lobbies got delayed at Daytona was double-stinting. So why not just stop double-stinting and that way you can have as many lobbies as you want. Designate one team per lobby as the host and another as backup host and you have solved your problem. Plus that way you also avoid the problem from daytona where drivers weren't receiving invites as everyone would know who the lobby host was and exactly what time the stint time would be because of no delays due to double-stinting.

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Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:33

Well this is lovely to wake up to!!

Top and bottom of it!! Its 1st come 1st served, we have had our teams planned for 2 weeks and we got ours in on time! Start limiting entries for teams and the big teams suffer. As ive said before theres 20+ HCR Drivers looking to take part. Some want to do one class and some want to do another. Am i meant to turn my own drivers away? Dont be daft, we were organised and we put our plan into motion.

I wont drop any team because people are having a cry over being unorganised and missing the cut.
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Post by Sub Zero Nova 2 on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:38

How is it un organized when we posted and exactly 4 mins in it was full
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Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 13:38

Too late!
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