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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Solar on Wed 6 Apr 2016 - 15:47

Matt wrote:The efforts of the guys behind the scenes to make sure the balance is good at each track has been fantastic and far from slamming them you really ought to be praising them. It's very easy to say 'oh I would have helped if you'd asked.' Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
This is a voluntary community, everyone running events and hosting lobbies etc does so because they are passionate about motorsport and want to help. They deserve your praise. We are always on the look out for more help in various areas, you only need ask.

i offer help, but no 1 has asked me, i do respect what they do behind the scenes with Balancing, i have even shared my Data with them, but thats due to a request from 1 of the guys whos in the Balancing so yh, if you guys want me helping with Balancing you have me on FB or PM me here but until i get asked, ill stick to doing my Own thing Smile




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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HaydieT on Thu 7 Apr 2016 - 0:04

That's the point Sam, none of us got asked if we could balance all this, we used our initiative and went ahead and done it.
If people are actually being genuine about wanting to help balance cars for series in general I suggest instead of sitting in general discussion threads with the generic "Oh I would have helped if asked" response just ask a staff member to be added to the testing team and actually do some of it.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Solar on Thu 7 Apr 2016 - 1:28

HaydieT wrote:That's the point Sam, none of us got asked if we could balance all this, we used our initiative and went ahead and done it.
If people are actually being genuine about wanting to help balance cars for series in general I suggest instead of sitting in general discussion threads with the generic "Oh I would have helped if asked" response just ask a staff member to be added to the testing team and actually do some of it.

what im saying is though, it seems like you guys have all the people you need, im jsut offering an helping hand, and everyone on Forza who ive raced with has me on FB or can DM me on here to see if i can help out, im only a Message away as everyone knows. but i will not be dragged into something i cant fully commit to, as i stream all the time, ya only need ask me what i can get in a certain car or cars and ill give them a run Smile




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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CAR Harmonic on Thu 7 Apr 2016 - 1:31

Noted, moving on.

I'm starting to like the layout without the bus stop the more I test. It lets the cars stretch out a bit, and it'll probably make for some great draft passes.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR generaltso on Thu 7 Apr 2016 - 4:02

Matt wrote:Unless you're stupendously wealthy

just call me scott tucker Cool Cool
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by MID LAND ZETA on Sat 9 Apr 2016 - 4:25

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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sat 9 Apr 2016 - 12:53

HCR generaltso wrote:
Matt wrote:Unless you're stupendously wealthy

just call me scott tucker Cool Cool

Hahahahahaha come get your payday loans Smile
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by DonatedSatyr227 on Sat 9 Apr 2016 - 18:34

I am a bit curious as why the Porsche 911 RSR has got a first restrictor removed then a 10% power handicap and the Z4 does not have its first restrictor removed then a 15% power handicap like it has done in the past as the Z4 is very slow in a straight line.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CAR Harmonic on Sat 9 Apr 2016 - 20:07

Some of the testers found the Z4 too quick on the Glen with the Sebring build. It's easy to drive and could do a mid 43 with that build, so I suppose it's justified. The car still does 43s with the current build anyway.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Noodle on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 17:27


On the whole 'HCR Monopoly' Thing going right now, First of all, yes there's a lot of drivers to cater but that necessitate more than six cars with four drivers each, which I would see as a reasonable amount which will allow leeway if drivers can't make it to keep the cars going (look at Solar last round for an example).

Secondly, would be best if anything people end up putting in the TEC threads to do with it goes in here rather than Registration, just to keep that thread clear Smile Just a thought as I don't really have any authority.



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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 17:52

So you think 25 drivers across 9 teams of 2, 3 or 4 is reasonable? Or have i misread something


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Noodle on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 18:20

I didn't say that. I said there are a lot of drivers to give seats to, but six cars with around four drivers each would have worked. Don't get me wrong 9 cars does take up a lot of space, I'm just saying there's a lot of drivers.

You do the maths, 25 drivers, means you can have 6 cars of four with 1 remainder, so 5 cars of four drivers, and one car of six drivers. That way another three spaces are up for any teams willing to compete. I'm not HCR though, nor are you, so we can't control what they do. That's up to them.



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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 18:36

fair enough, and I did do the maths they can also do 5 teams of 5 freeing up even more space other teams, and I know that neither you or myself are HCR (and by the looks of how things are, I'm glad im not) but what they are doing is just a monopolization of the event for what ever their reasons are


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 18:43

Regardless of who in HCR is responsible for it, its just unfair, im not saying its all the drivers just whoever put the teams together thinking that it was acceptable in the first place


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 19:26

I did it

With respect to your monopoly comment as you are entitled to your opinion the teams are built on a number of different points.

They are based on pace, previous races, championship standings, who people ask to race with and what times people can race

When we break down the 25 drivers the above list is our way of getting the maximum from each team without overloading teams so people only get to do 1 stint because they have HCR in their name. I also get asked to ensure each driver in each team is roughly the same pace, its no fun for a driver to be placed into a team they are woefully off the pace of so they spend 2 hrs driving at that back, likewise theres no point in placing a fast guy in a slow team as this will ppace the team higher than the other drivers are capable of which causes accidents etc

With the way you spout off it ensures you would never get into a big team anyway so dont worry yourself too much about how we operate and focus on you own team. Theres alot more too it than just 9 entries on a forum


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR generaltso on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 19:35

HCR Bellmond wrote:I did it

With respect to your monopoly comment

me rn


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:11

you keep on avoiding the point mate, see how far it gets you and if HCR is the example of what a big team is.. I'll stick with the small ones thanks, wouldn't want to be associated with your personal reasons for pulling this stunt


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Motorhead on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:18

LMP Phantom wrote:you keep on avoiding the point mate, see how far it gets you and if HCR is the example of what a big team is.. I'll stick with the small ones thanks, wouldn't want to be associated with your personal reasons for pulling this stunt

As I said to Harmonic, why no one is talking about helping with extra lobbies and instead choosing the easy option of attacking us shows us a lot about the community.

Our team is big. but that means between us, we can certainly contribute to the community and contribute to better racing with stronger fields like TORA has had before. However if we're always under attack then it goes without saying that we will be less willing to help out.

I said I could easily contribute in regards to lobby hosting and gathering results. If we had an extra lobby, none of this would have happened.


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Post by LMR Minardi on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:20

If we have the manpower, we should run 3 lobbies





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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CAR Harmonic on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:21

If you put more than 2-3 drivers on your teams, none of this would've happened.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Motorhead on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:21

LMR Minardi wrote:If we have the manpower, we should run 3 lobbies

I think we can make it work.


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by henkymetcola on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:26

If you knew there will only be 2 lobby's why would you enter 9 teams?


                                                             
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Post by HCR Motorhead on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:29

henkymetcola wrote:If you knew there will only be 2 lobby's why would you enter 9 teams?

We're not in control of what TORA does. If they can only support 2 lobbies that's TORA's decision.


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:31

LMP Phantom wrote:you keep on avoiding the point mate, see how far it gets you and if HCR is the example of what a big team is.. I'll stick with the small ones thanks, wouldn't want to be associated with your personal reasons for pulling this stunt


What point
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CAR Harmonic on Sun 10 Apr 2016 - 20:35

HCR Motorhead wrote:
henkymetcola wrote:If you knew there will only be 2 lobby's why would you enter 9 teams?

We're not in control of what TORA does. If they can only support 2 lobbies that's TORA's decision.

He asked why you entered 9 teams when you knew there were only 2 lobbies. Stop avoiding the question.
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