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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:35 pm

HCR Bellmond wrote:I did it

With respect to your monopoly comment as you are entitled to your opinion the teams are built on a number of different points.

They are based on pace, previous races, championship standings, who people ask to race with and what times people can race

When we break down the 25 drivers the above list is our way of getting the maximum from each team without overloading teams so people only get to do 1 stint because they have HCR in their name. I also get asked to ensure each driver in each team is roughly the same pace, its no fun for a driver to be placed into a team they are woefully off the pace of so they spend 2 hrs driving at that back, likewise theres no point in placing a fast guy in a slow team as this will ppace the team higher than the other drivers are capable of which causes accidents etc

Thats why theres 9 between sebring and watkins we have had 3 new arrivals and 2 other drivers come back from other teams


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Solar on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:36 pm

If we Band together as a Community anything is Possible. But i know and have seen that TJ's docs are hard to use, and a person would need the Sufficient Skills for using them Docs, so it doesn't all get messed up.

But then we have the argument off when people complain about Live Timing not been spot on after every stint and people flame at the Docs Team for this, what is unfair.

We as a Team have a large amount of Entries to make it fair to everyone in the team (this is said above in a HCR Bellmond Comment), that's our way of doing things and if the Community as a whole is not willing to band together (Including ourselves) then more Lobbies and more room for drivers will not be possible.





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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:42 pm

the point that what your doing is just plain wrong and unfair on other teams, and also as it seem to be petty if those decisions were in fact made to "have the last laugh"


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:47 pm

HCR Bellmond wrote:Thats why theres 9 between sebring and watkins we have had 3 new arrivals and 2 other drivers come back from other teams

why not put them into existing teams then? going to what you said about driver pace etc, im in a team with people faster than me, do you see us complaining about it or entering multiple teams for fast and slow drivers? No we have 2 teams, an LMP1 team and a GT team and we're doing alright


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Motorhead on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:48 pm

LMP Phantom wrote:the point that what your doing is just plain wrong and unfair on other teams, and also as it seem to be petty if those decisions were in fact made to "have the last laugh"

I said that in hindsight I shouldn't have said it and it was inaccurate.

Using this as your focal point to attack me and the team does not help the community. Ousting us rather than saying "Hey, let's use the numbers we have to give extra support to TORA,"


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:49 pm

Ive already said James wasnt happy at the time and things got said clearly. I dint see how its fair to restrict us to having more drivers in teams because they are HCR the rules are a min of 2 drivers we have kept to those rules
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:01 pm

entering 9 teams of 2/3 people doesn't help either. by all means use your numbers that's not what's being said here, what's being said is use your numbers in a sensible way

if that's the case, be the bigger team, admit a grid flooding was wrong the way to go about it and condense your teams. try going direct to a member of staff not involved with this apparent mistreatment and get it sorted that way, don't ruin it for the people here that want to race and have a bit of fun in the process, like what's already been said, its a game at the end of the day.


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by LMP Phantom on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:03 pm

yeah you've kept within the rules, but can you see the point being made? It's also intimidating to see for a new, small entering to see a good portion of the board is the same overall team


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Super T on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:08 pm

Holly [Censored] it's Sebring all over again
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by hunty1981 on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:30 pm

Enough now its a game not real life








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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Super T on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:34 pm

Ano mate

Same old crap when sign ins come out we need to explain our actions. As a said on Sebring it's 25 drivers the HCR bit is irrelevant
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:35 pm

LMP Phantom wrote:yeah you've kept within the rules, but can you see the point being made? It's also intimidating to see for a new, small entering to see a good portion of the board is the same overall team

No i dont see the point at all. We have what i felt we needed.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by FranchittiFan on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:52 pm

HCR have done nothing wrong.

We have been over this before, ANY team no matter how big or small they are can field as many entries as they wish as long as they follow the correct rules.

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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CAR Harmonic on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:54 pm

FranchittiFan wrote:HCR have done nothing wrong.

We have been over this before, ANY team no matter how big or small they are can field as many entries as they wish as long as they follow the correct rules.


You apparently haven't been following the issue. They admitted to purposely flooding the entries because they hate TORA and want to "send a message." How is that acceptable to you?
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:55 pm

James said this and it was dumb he has apologised and admitted it was unacceptable and inacurate get over yourself
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Post by CAR Harmonic on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:57 pm

HCR Bellmond wrote:James said this and it was dumb he has apologised and admitted it was unacceptable and inacurate get over yourself

He said no such thing. All he said was that he shouldn't have said it, and the only reason he said that was to cover his ass and not look like an idiot in front of the whole community. That pathetic recovery attempt still doesn't change his or your opinion of the site.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by FranchittiFan on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:58 pm

Enough guys lets move on now and enjoy the race.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Bellmond on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:58 pm

You talk [Censored] crack on with your datsun and lets have a go with it
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CAR Harmonic on Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:59 pm

FranchittiFan wrote:Enough guys lets move on now and enjoy the race.

Why are you enabling their behavior when they admitted to trying to screw over the site on which you're a staff member?
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR TJSteel on Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:06 pm

LMR Harmonic wrote:
HCR TJSteel wrote:
LMR Harmonic wrote:
HCR Bellmond wrote:Dont see why you deserve anything else none of this has anything to do with you until you decided ud not had enough drama today or something and got yourself involved, then your ego got you to join another team to race us.

This was all fine when you was asking solar about seats

This had something to do with me once I saw that your intentions were to smite a racing community that I happen to be part of. I'm not letting your little scheme sit behind closed doors. Your actions are affecting those who want to race; they've done nothing wrong, but you're purposely putting a damper on the whole event, and it's absolutely pathetic.

I don't see why you're making this a matter of ego... Think of me joining another team (that your team has also said you all don't like) as a form of vigilante justice. If you want to push out other teams and guarantee yourselves top spots, then I'll happily render that guarantee null and void by joining a team. I could've made my own team, but you guys hogged all the spots, remember? Rolling Eyes

Purposely trying to put a damper on it? You having a laugh? One guy said one thing now all of HCR are trying to ruin TEC? Think about that for a sec, that's the single most stupid comment I've ever seen

Where did I say all of HCR are doing it? Every time I've referenced the people who are guilty, I've mentioned their specific names. Most of HCR just wants to race, I'm sure. However, Chris' actions are making it unenjoyable for everyone else, and the fact that you as a staff member are enabling his behavior is nothing short of a joke considering that everyone without those 3 letters in front of their names agrees with what I'm saying.

Moved from entry list,

but you are throwing hatred at all of HCR, me being staff then, that does give me the right to ban people who talk down to anyone on the forum, what your doing is just as bad as what anyone else is doing so I could quite rightfully have you all banned for being so childish.

If you have issues it should be dealt with in PM's with staff to be honest, if you think I'm gonna treat anyone different just because I'm HCR then I'll happily hand down my staff role if you think I'm that biased, It's honestly not worth putting the effort into it if all your going to do is cut my team down.

Now I'm not gonna ban anyone because I believe you're all grown up enough and mature enough to remember its only a game, try and use the game to have fun instead of throwing hatred at people





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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by Matt on Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:29 pm

This is a game first and foremost.
I strongly recommend those continuing to fan flames, push people out, upset staff members dissuade new members from racing look at themselves and ask what they think they are actually achieving by this.

The short answer to save you the time is nothing.

If 'flooding' is occurring to deliberately stop new members racing that is, frankly sad. It achieves nothing for themselves and/or the community as a whole.
The continuous and monotonous bitching in every single discussion thread around the TEC is disgusting and will stop immediately.



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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by BIGBEN0913 on Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:16 pm

God grief!! I'm without Internet for two weeks and you children go nuts. This is a game that you all are fighting over. I'm calling you children because that is how you all are behaving. You are all making yourselves, and the whole TORA community look bad.

Yes, this is one of TORA's biggest and most challenging series and everyone wants to race in it. Yes, we have big teams and small teams racing in the series. No, there aren't millions of dollars in contacts at risk here. Finally, yes, I do feel like I am repeating myself since I said the SAME THING in the Sebring discussion. How about we put the measuring sticks away and just race?



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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HaydieT on Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:12 pm

BigBen0913 wrote:How about we put the measuring sticks away and just race?

But mine is bigger than yours and I want everyone to know that 😜
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by GKT KimmE on Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:18 pm

missing the Qualifying Thread

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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Noodle on Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:05 pm

Back to formal discussion, looking forward to this race Very Happy Nissan with some fast drivers now, looking to fight for the win against the HCR Oreca trio Wink May even get our Toyota involved with this one, going to be brilliant!



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