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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by ROSCOEpCOTRAIN on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:14

then no points should be giving


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by ShrinkingSteven on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:14

Is that racing in general? Spending a gazillion hours tinkering,tuning and finally racing to be disappointed?
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by ROSCOEpCOTRAIN on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:16

no racing series in the world gets cancelled before half way and is considered complete...


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by shaggya7x on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:25

If a WEC race is red flagged 4 hours in, results are counted. The series isnt over, just the race Wink

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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CarlsonsRaiders on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:26

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:no racing series in the world gets cancelled before half way and is considered complete...

No racing series in the world is reliant on Xbox Live running smoothly either.




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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by ROSCOEpCOTRAIN on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:30

shaggya7x wrote:If a WEC race is red flagged 4 hours in, results are counted. The series isnt over, just the race Wink
4hrs in is of a 12 or 24 hr race has never happened and they consider it a points paying round


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by Flyin Mikey J on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:35

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:
shaggya7x wrote:If a WEC race is red flagged 4 hours in, results are counted. The series isnt over, just the race Wink
4hrs in is of a 12 or 24 hr race has never happened and they consider it a points paying round

Petit Lemans had a rain caused red flag less than 4 hours into a 10 hour race. They sat on pit road for the next 6 hours, never resumed, yet was called "official".


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by ROSCOEpCOTRAIN on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:36

yes sir but in fact that's 40% of the race


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by CarlsonsRaiders on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:37

At the 6 Hours of Fuji in 2013, the WEC cars only completed 16 laps and when they finally called it, they had only done 2 hours and 56 minutes, so half points were awarded, as they hadn't made half distance/time.

So actually, at least one race in a series in the world has been cancelled before halfway and considered complete.




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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by Flyin Mikey J on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:37

Flyin Mikey J wrote:
ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:
shaggya7x wrote:If a WEC race is red flagged 4 hours in, results are counted. The series isnt over, just the race Wink
4hrs in is of a 12 or 24 hr race has never happened and they consider it a points paying round

Petit Lemans had a rain caused red flag 4 hours into a 10 hour race. They sat on pit road for the next 6 hours, never resumed, yet was called "official".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Petit_Le_Mans


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by shaggya7x on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:38

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:
shaggya7x wrote:If a WEC race is red flagged 4 hours in, results are counted. The series isnt over, just the race Wink
4hrs in is of a 12 or 24 hr race has never happened and they consider it a points paying round

How do you know they consider it a points paying round if its never happened? logically, making it a points paying round for the entire grid wouldnt make sense regardless.

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Post by ROSCOEpCOTRAIN on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:40

CarlsonsRaiders wrote:At the 6 Hours of Fuji in 2013, the WEC cars only completed 16 laps and when they finally called it, they had only done 2 hours and 56 minutes, so half points were awarded, as they hadn't made half distance/time.

So actually, at least one race in a series in the world has been cancelled before halfway and considered complete.

that's almost 50% and they only got half points


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Super T on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:43

Arguing about a game again very grown up kids 😀
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Solar on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:43

*runs into a wall* Nope no sense has been knocked into it FFS! *please come back again next enduro* Wink good racing lads




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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by shaggya7x on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:44

So..what youre now saying is..rather than getting no points as you first suggested, we should all now get 33.333333...% points for doing 33.333333...% of the race?

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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by shaggya7x on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:45

HCR Super T wrote:Arguing about a game again very grown up kids 😀

But...but Daaaaaaaaaaddduh! Sad

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Post by ROSCOEpCOTRAIN on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:46

HCR Super T wrote:Arguing about a game again very grown up kids 😀
no sir not arguing just would like clarification that's all Cheers


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Post by ROSCOEpCOTRAIN on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:47

shaggya7x wrote:So..what youre now saying is..rather than getting no points as you first suggested, we should all now get 33.333333...% points for doing 33.333333...% of the race?
yeah I can deal with that... it just seems fair...er lol


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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by HCR Super T on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 22:50

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:
HCR Super T wrote:Arguing about a game again very grown up kids 😀
no sir not arguing just would like clarification that's all Cheers

[Censored] situation mate as Bellmond said first time in 4 years to have a red flag. Could be sonthing that needs looked into probably not going to get a proper answer today tbh they'll prob want time to think it over
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Post by HCR Motorhead on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 23:04

We were all here ready, doing what we had to do. It's not our fault so nothing should be taken away from the competitors.

I think Xbox's service is appalling. I thought 'next-gen' was meant to be bulletproof and unimpeachable. Clearly not Sad


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Post by HCR generaltso on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 23:08

Flyin Mikey J wrote:
Flyin Mikey J wrote:
ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:
shaggya7x wrote:If a WEC race is red flagged 4 hours in, results are counted. The series isnt over, just the race Wink
4hrs in is of a 12 or 24 hr race has never happened and they consider it a points paying round

Petit Lemans had a rain caused red flag 4 hours into a 10 hour race. They sat on pit road for the next 6 hours, never resumed, yet was called "official".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Petit_Le_Mans

yep, i was there.

got the fire ant bites to prove it. nasty little buggers.
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by Sub Zero Nova 2 on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 23:08

Well this is getting old....
I'm eating pizza anyone want some while we watch
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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by Flyin Mikey J on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 23:10

HCR Motorhead wrote:We were all here ready, doing what we had to do. It's not our fault so nothing should be taken away from the competitors.

I think Xbox's service is appalling. I thought 'next-gen' was meant to be bulletproof and unimpeachable. Clearly not Sad

"Next gen" is all about adding more features that do not involve actual game play. Just like next gen phones that do everything from web browsing to photos, well everything except let you make a damn phone call.

I thought everyone knew that?


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Post by HCR generaltso on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 23:12

CarlsonsRaiders wrote: that's the way she goes I guess.

Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re: MSA TORA Watkins Glen 12H - General Discussion

Post by andiosterfeld on Sat 23 Apr 2016 - 23:17

i think the red flag does affect some in a positive way and others in a negative way. stint 3 would have moved our team from 4th to 2nd, yet i do understand your decision.

A giant shoutout to NVirus who provided our teams with the designs for all three cars and the pro team drivers who have spent hours in tuning and training for/with the am and rookie teams.

What i want to add to the discussion above, the points system is not that fair. We now get the same amount of points for a 4h race compared to the 24h long daytona event. In the next rulebook you should add double points for 24h races and half points for races which are red flagged before the 50% mark. But that's something for the next season and not for today

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