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Post by AMS Moshys on Sun 8 Jan 2017 - 1:03

are you saying half the team get no points for a 24hr then if its a merge?
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Post by F4H Diablo on Sun 8 Jan 2017 - 1:14

Radiation Louis wrote:
2.5 TEAM COMBINATION

Teams that are competing in the Sprint Series Championship are permitted to bring in 1-2 additional drivers should they choose to compete in the Endurance Cup as well. They need to be signed up as the 4th and 5th drivers on a team. These additional drivers will score points in the Overall Driver's Championship as well as the team they are racing for. As an example, if Team X and Team Y from the Sprint Series combine drivers to race as Team X for the Endurance championship, drivers will ONLY score team points for Team X in the Endurance events.

Guys... I'm more than happy to clarify any issues people, but I ask that everyone reads the rules, not just skim them. Many of the questions I've answered are explained explicitly in the rules. Thanks in advance!





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Post by AMS Moshys on Sun 8 Jan 2017 - 1:31

I did read them and I have a question. if we have 3 drivers in the sprint and 5 in the enduro but the 3rd sprint driver isn't in the enduro team, does that effect the first 2 sprint sprint drivers overall points?
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Post by CAR Harmonic on Sun 8 Jan 2017 - 5:58

GTR Moshys wrote:I did read them and I have a question. if we have 3 drivers in the sprint and 5 in the enduro but the 3rd sprint driver isn't in the enduro team, does that effect the first 2 sprint sprint drivers overall points?

This doesn't even make sense... Why would a driver not participating have an effect on someone else's points? The team gets credited regardless of who gets swapped out. There is no individual overall championship since a person cannot earn points in an endurance race by himself.
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Post by Freheliaz on Sun 8 Jan 2017 - 11:25

Thanks for the answer Diablo.



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Post by SrPhloofy on Wed 11 Jan 2017 - 23:47

I saw it clarified elsewhere that for the Daytona Bus Stop, Forza clean=clean. Assuming I'm not being thick and missing it in this thread, could we have that officially stated here? In addition, are there any rules specific to Daytona regarding pit entry/exit? I know on entry it would be easy to cut over the white line, which I'm assuming is illegal, as well as go full speed into the pit, which I'm guessing is okay (due to difficulty regulating any kind of pit lane entry speed). The exit at Daytona can be pretty dicey with the short merge and speed difference as well, so I was curious if there were any rules in regard to that. Kind of pedantic points, but I thought it safer to ask.

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Post by F4H Diablo on Wed 11 Jan 2017 - 23:58

I'm currently working on a track limits thread w/ appropriate photos; check back shortly!





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Post by Capirossi22 on Mon 16 Jan 2017 - 23:05

So if I am running a privateer entry for the sprint series and a separate team (but same car) entry for the endurance series, how do the championship points work? Do I show up in two different positions for the overall championship? Or do I not get counted in the overall championship and just compete in the two sub championships?
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Post by F4H Diablo on Mon 16 Jan 2017 - 23:42

It would work like this:

For the Sprint Series, you would receive points for the Driver's Championship and the Privateer's championship.

For the Endurance Cup, the team you are competing for would receive points for their finish.

For the Overall Championship, you would combine the points for the two series and receive a point total from this. Essentially, it'd combine your points from the Sprint Series and the team points you helped earn in the Endurance Cup.

Hopefully that makes sense to you!





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Post by Capirossi22 on Tue 17 Jan 2017 - 0:29

Sure does, thanks for the help!
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Post by Nick Totten on Tue 17 Jan 2017 - 2:01

F4H Diablo wrote:It would work like this:

For the Sprint Series, you would receive points for the Driver's Championship and the Privateer's championship.

For the Endurance Cup, the team you are competing for would receive points for their finish.

For the Overall Championship, you would combine the points for the two series and receive a point total from this. Essentially, it'd combine your points from the Sprint Series and the team points you helped earn in the Endurance Cup.

Hopefully that makes sense to you!

That's awesome. I assumed I would have to forgo the Overall Championship if I went the same route as Capirossi22. The only difference being I'm running Prototype in Endurance and GT in Sprint. Would that have any bearing on my Overall points?
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Post by LMP Dragon on Wed 18 Jan 2017 - 17:03

Can someone clarify what the license numbers mean on the sign in thread please? I've seen nothing about them.
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Post by DKBoostin on Sun 22 Jan 2017 - 7:58

So can teammates in different stints have different liveries or exactly the same?

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Post by OneBigMan43 on Sun 22 Jan 2017 - 10:43

I would assume that they would have to be same livery, same number; just like doing a driver swap in the pits.
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Post by Capirossi22 on Fri 27 Jan 2017 - 18:53

For sprint series qualifying, if I am in a team of three drivers, all three of us will be racing against each other. Do all three of us have to qualify? Will we potentially end up in different lobbies? If I cannot make it to a qualifying session am I still allowed to race?
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Post by F4H Diablo on Sat 28 Jan 2017 - 1:30

@Cap Yes, it's like a standard race where everyone is on track. Yes, potentially your teammates could end up in a different lobby as you, the grids are sorted by qualifying times. And yes, you can still race if you don't qualify but I must know this by Noon EST before the race (3 hours prior). You will be placed at the back of the last lobby.





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Post by F4H Diablo on Wed 1 Feb 2017 - 0:23

January 31st- Updated rules for Sign In, Qualifying, and Race Start time





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Post by F4H Diablo on Thu 2 Feb 2017 - 4:33

Updates made-

Sprint Race format has been drastically simplified. Every lobby will race to the 2hr mark in their lobby after a pace lap, then finish the lap they are on. The leader will stop in T1, and everyone will stop behind the leader in the order they cross the line in. Host will record positions and pass on the results to the Race Organizer and/or Support Staff.

Points have been modified to accommodate 200 driver events.

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Post by BDR Beast on Wed 15 Feb 2017 - 22:44

Sorry if this was already clarified (I looked but couldn't find anything specific on it), but I have a team of 5 drivers for the endurance cup, but only 3 plan on racing at Sebring. Can I race only 3 drivers at Sebring as long as we still cover all stints?

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Post by HCR Motorhead on Thu 16 Feb 2017 - 3:00

BDR Beast wrote:Sorry if this was already clarified (I looked but couldn't find anything specific on it), but I have a team of 5 drivers for the endurance cup, but only 3 plan on racing at Sebring. Can I race only 3 drivers at Sebring as long as we still cover all stints?

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Post by Oo Bobbro o0 on Mon 5 Jun 2017 - 1:57

Can you explain how disconnects work in the sprint series? I don't see it explicitly outlined in the rules.

If car A qualified A lobby and parked the car in the grass never moving, they would still receive pretty good points for finishing "last in A lobby". If car B was also competing in A lobby and driving ahead of car A in last but suffered a disconnect, car A would not only outscore car B but apparently so does the entire entrant field in all lobbies for the race.

I understand the endurance system seeing as total distance is observed and compared, but because the sprint series is so focused on quali day and total distance is not compared it seems that lobbies should score independently including disconnects. Also lower lobby competitors never have a chance to outfinish higher lobby "non-participants" (Car A inexample above) who outqualified them, but do have the chance to outfinish a connection issue from a competitor who still out qualified them (Car B)? I my head the lobbies either operate together (compare driver distance across the board) or individually (Lobby A is above all other lobbies and scores individually), and there appears to be a hybrid of the two occurring in the sprint series.

Sorry to stir the pot, I throughly enjoy this series and the opportunity to compete in TORA's events. I was gutted to disconnect from today's race, especially once seeing how it affected my team in points Championship. Regardless, I will be back to race. Thanks for putting up with all of us bozoes and making this great racing happen!

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Post by F4H Diablo on Mon 5 Jun 2017 - 13:42

Bobbro- Definitely a bummer to lag out. Sorry that happened to ya. I went past and noticed you were a bit twitchy on my screen, then you disappeared about 30 seconds later.

I'll try and answer this completely as I can- If a car were to intentionally park, I wouldn't give them any points, same as a DNS. That's a waste of my time and theirs. If they had to run out for an emergency, chances are they'd disconnect and go do what they needed to do. I don't think that situation will arise, but if it does, that's how I'd handle it.

Also, it's not quite accurate what you say about lower lobbies not being able to score points into A lobby- Using this week as an example, you and XRS Carlos DNF'ed from A lobby (10th and 11th in A lobby if you will). DNF's receive points that are at the back of all finishers in all lobbies. That being said, ACG No Mercy, who won B lobby in GT received 10th place points, which is points that would've gone to you or Carlos had you not disconnected.

Sprint style races (i.e. all events w/o stints) are scored this way, where DNF's get last place points in the final lobby, and everyone moves up accordingly... as far as I know. Endurance races have the lobbies scored together because it is localized, and there are protocols set in place so that the races actually behave the same, by starting at approximately the same time, finishing at the same time, etc. Using these on sprint races is more difficult to implement, because getting accurate finishing positions with proper timing is, well, next to impossible, especially w/ the greater number of cars to contend with.

In an optimal scenario, we'd have game chat that actually works for every driver, hosts could set the race to do an exactly 3 minute grid lap (that didn't rubberband the cars around), finish at 2 hrs once the leader crosses the line, then the game takes a time stamp when each driver finishes. That way, all lobbies could be scored together. Alas, we can't get all of those settings at once, so we have it separated by lobby, then DNF's can shake things up.

Hopefully that makes sense for you!

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Post by F4H Diablo on Mon 26 Jun 2017 - 16:31

Rules 16.4 and 16.4.1 added, which discuss lagouts of Sprint Series events





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Post by F4H Diablo on Mon 26 Jun 2017 - 19:44

Added Rules 9.3 and 9.3.1 to clarify rules on pit stops and the time limits to complete them within a race.





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