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Post by F4H Diablo on Thu 12 Jan 2017 - 2:23



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Re: TORA American Endurance Cup: Daytona 24 Live Timing

Post by Dragonsyoung on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 9:01

CRA JTEKT Racing
Stint 1: (Day)  Dragonsyoung
Stint 2: (Day)  BOBOTHECLOWN340/  Backup AC Bastick
Stint 3: (Night)  AC Bastick
Stint 4: (Night)AC Bastick
Stint 5: (Night) Dragonsyoung
Stint 6: (Night) Dragonsyoung
Stint 7: (Night) BOBOTHECLOWN340/  Backup AC Bastick
Stint 8: (Night) BOBOTHECLOWN340/  Backup AC Bastick
Stint 9: (Day)  AC Bastick
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Stint 12:(Day)AC Bastick/ Backup BOBOTHECLOWN340

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Post by FIA LMC Alflo on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 10:22

Stint 1: 15:00 – 17:00(Day) = FIA SNAKE
Stint 2: 17:00 - 19:00 (Day) = FIA Derovin
Stint 3: 19:00 – 21.00 (Night) FIA LMC Alflo
Stint 4: 21:00 – 23:00 (Night) =FIA Jose team
Stint 5: 23:00 – 1:00 (Night) =FIA Snake
Stint 6: 1:00 – 3:00 (Night) =FIA Derovin
Stint 7: 3:00 – 5:00 am (Night) =Fia arroyuelo
Stint 8: 5:00 – 7:00 (Night) =FIA LMC Alflo
Stint 9: 7.00 – 9:00 (Day) =FIA Jose team
Stint 10: 9:00 – 11:00 (Day) =FIA SNAKE
Stint 11: 11:00 – 13:00 (Day) =FIA ARROYUELO
Stint 12: 13:00 –4 15:00 (Day) =FIA Derovin
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Re: TORA American Endurance Cup: Daytona 24 Live Timing

Post by Renegade JPS on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 17:59

Question, how has car 21 which is showing as a GT car ahead of car 132 in live timing when car 132 finished 1st in B lobby in stint 1? Especially when car 21 is showing as having done 217 miles when the top GT cars in A lobby are pulling 202 miles?
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Post by BIGBEN0913 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 18:12

Renegade JPS wrote:Question, how has car 21 which is showing as a GT car ahead of car 132 in live timing when car 132 finished 1st in B lobby in stint 1? Especially when car 21 is showing as having done 217 miles when the top GT cars in A lobby are pulling 202 miles?
My bad, I forgot a digit in their results.  Should be better now.



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Post by Vice255 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 18:18

Huge issue on the #53. I'm sure it's supposed to be 195 miles.

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Post by Renegade JPS on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 18:22

Thanks Ben
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Post by BIGBEN0913 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 18:28

Vice255 wrote:Huge issue on the #53. I'm sure it's supposed to be 195 miles.
Once again, I added a digit.  Should be fixed now!



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Re: TORA American Endurance Cup: Daytona 24 Live Timing

Post by TX3 Ventury on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 19:53

Lobby C Data is wrong.
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Post by F4H Diablo on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 19:59

Lobby C, Stint 2 did the wrong distance, so it's been converted to what it should've been.

Long story short- they went about 5 minutes too long.


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Post by TX3 Ventury on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 20:08

From 1h55 to 15min. its exactly 1h40min as stated in the rules
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Post by F4H Diablo on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 20:15

The distance I was given was 225 miles for the lead Prototype car.

Considering Lobby A got 223, there's no way that's correct.

If we get more data this can be fixed, but, how your stint was run was incorrect. It's supposed to run like TEC has in years past, but people have conflated the rules for the upcoming Sprint Series, and lobby hosts in Room C didn't get the complete memo.


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Post by TX3 Ventury on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 20:35

The only thing wrong about that is the fact that it includes the 4Mi of formation lap while it shouldn't.

If you want to talk logic:

1- According to qualy, we are 1.5/lap slower than the lead Prototype in A Lobby which should be around 1:30 in a 60 lap race. so thats an extra lap of 4 Miles not 9.

2- My team mate fnished 10K ft ahead of 2nd in Stint 1 wich gave him a 0.79Mi advantage in terms of disctance. In stint 2, I finished 6K ft behind 1st place and that gave him 1.30Mi advantage. How's that possible?

Times submitted are wrong 100%. But only because host didn't cut the 4Mi of formation lap not because we run of an extra 5min
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Post by THR WildWin7 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 21:06

True if the stints 2-12 start right away then only the distance of the formation lap should be subtracted.
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Post by LMR Harmonic on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 21:37

THR Ventury wrote:The only thing wrong about that is the fact that it includes the 4Mi of formation lap while it shouldn't.

If you want to talk logic:

1- According to qualy, we are 1.5/lap slower than the lead Prototype in A Lobby which should be around 1:30 in a 60 lap race. so thats an extra lap of 4 Miles not 9.

2- My team mate fnished 10K ft ahead of 2nd in Stint 1 wich gave him a 0.79Mi advantage in terms of disctance. In stint 2, I finished 6K ft behind 1st place and that gave him 1.30Mi advantage. How's that possible?

Times submitted are wrong 100%. But only because host didn't cut the 4Mi of formation lap not because we run of an extra 5min

No, you ran an extra 5 minutes. You're supposed to start out of turn 3 (International Horseshoe) and grid up IMMEDIATELY when the lobby starts. That shouldn't take more than a minute tops. You ran for 5 before "starting", and even then, you got a FULL 1h40 whereas the lobbies that did things correctly got about 1h39 and some low number of seconds.

If the gap is 9 miles, that sounds pretty reasonable considering I almost lapped 3rd place in A lobby. The lead LMPs are only a couple tenths off their qualifying times EVERY lap. People in lower lobbies tend to be all over the place, so assuming that you're 1.5s a lap off the leaders is not reasonable.




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Post by THR WildWin7 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 21:54

CAR Harmonic wrote:
THR Ventury wrote:The only thing wrong about that is the fact that it includes the 4Mi of formation lap while it shouldn't.

If you want to talk logic:

1- According to qualy, we are 1.5/lap slower than the lead Prototype in A Lobby which should be around 1:30 in a 60 lap race. so thats an extra lap of 4 Miles not 9.

2- My team mate fnished 10K ft ahead of 2nd in Stint 1 wich gave him a 0.79Mi advantage in terms of disctance. In stint 2, I finished 6K ft behind 1st place and that gave him 1.30Mi advantage. How's that possible?

Times submitted are wrong 100%. But only because host didn't cut the 4Mi of formation lap not because we run of an extra 5min

No, you ran an extra 5 minutes. You're supposed to start out of turn 3 (International Horseshoe) and grid up IMMEDIATELY when the lobby starts. That shouldn't take more than a minute tops. You ran for 5 before "starting", and even then, you got a FULL 1h40 whereas the lobbies that did things correctly got about 1h39 and some low number of seconds.

If the gap is 9 miles, that sounds pretty reasonable considering I almost lapped 3rd place in A lobby. The lead LMPs are only a couple tenths off their qualifying times EVERY lap. People in lower lobbies tend to be all over the place, so assuming that you're 1.5s a lap off the leaders is not reasonable.

We agree it was wrong but too much mileage was taken off. If they ran one extra minute how does the mileage go from 224 to 214? They didn't race an extra 5 minutes at race pace. There is no way we would be 3 miles behind the last car in B lobby in that stint when our qually times were separated by tenths.
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Post by THR WildWin7 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 22:06

To break it down 4 miles should be subtracted for the formation lap then at most an extra minute of time since the stint was started at the line instead of out turn 3. At the least Ventury should have 219 miles for stint 2.
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Post by LMR Harmonic on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 22:16

They DIDN'T run ONE extra minute... They ran FIVE extra minutes. Even if it was at pace lap speed, that's still an extra 5 minutes.




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Post by THR WildWin7 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 22:19

See post above I said to subtract the pace/formation lap. They ran 1 40 from the end of the formation lap. The formation lap mileage has to be subtracted and then at most the minute gained from not starting the stint out of turn 3. Its not hard to see that.
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Post by TX3 Ventury on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 22:35

CAR Harmonic wrote:
THR Ventury wrote:The only thing wrong about that is the fact that it includes the 4Mi of formation lap while it shouldn't.

If you want to talk logic:

1- According to qualy, we are 1.5/lap slower than the lead Prototype in A Lobby which should be around 1:30 in a 60 lap race. so thats an extra lap of 4 Miles not 9.

2- My team mate fnished 10K ft ahead of 2nd in Stint 1 wich gave him a 0.79Mi advantage in terms of disctance. In stint 2, I finished 6K ft behind 1st place and that gave him 1.30Mi advantage. How's that possible?

Times submitted are wrong 100%. But only because host didn't cut the 4Mi of formation lap not because we run of an extra 5min

No, you ran an extra 5 minutes. You're supposed to start out of turn 3 (International Horseshoe) and grid up IMMEDIATELY when the lobby starts. That shouldn't take more than a minute tops. You ran for 5 before "starting", and even then, you got a FULL 1h40 whereas the lobbies that did things correctly got about 1h39 and some low number of seconds.

If the gap is 9 miles, that sounds pretty reasonable considering I almost lapped 3rd place in A lobby. The lead LMPs are only a couple tenths off their qualifying times EVERY lap. People in lower lobbies tend to be all over the place, so assuming that you're 1.5s a lap off the leaders is not reasonable.



No, we didn't run an extra 5min(maybe 1 extra according to your logic). The 5min was a FORMATION lap. it could have been a 30min formation lap and it would still have been 4Mi long and that what should have been reduced from the total time submitted. The staff noticed that something was wrong and followed this logic: They had 5min extra wich translates to 10Mi so they cut 10miles. NO! They should have cut 4Mi because that's how long the formation lap was.

And we do not act based on "tend" but "do".
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Post by F4H Diablo on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 22:36

Well, armed with this info, we will look into it after stint 5. Okay?


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Post by TX3 Ventury on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 22:45

F4H Diablo wrote:Well, armed with this info, we will look into it after stint 5. Okay?

Ok Diablo. Thank you.
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Post by LMR Harmonic on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 23:08

There's no proof that your 5 minutes extra was on ONE pace lap. That means your AVERAGE speed on the pace lap was 43 MPH - not only is that wrong according to the start procedure, but it's not believable.

If you're going to try to skip around the rules you apparently didn't read, you should at least provide some evidence to support yourself.

Also...

THR Ventury wrote:And we do not act based on "tend" but "do".

Let me fix my previous statement then... Drivers in the lower lobbies ARE all over the place. Better?




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Post by DonatedSatyr227 on Sat 21 Jan 2017 - 23:32

Stint 4 was going great until a f###ing bad driver came out of the pit, did nothing but roll straight onto the racing line. which case me to hit the wall at 183 mph and lose about 4 miles.
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Post by HCR Mad Bull on Sun 22 Jan 2017 - 0:07

Ok I was also in lobby C when this happened.
I'm going to go from the beginning.

The host did not read out were everyone should be in the lobby. He called everyone out 1 by 1 and told them to wait at the first corner. When everyone was called out we started to go around the track until the start/finish line where everyone went racing.

Because of how long we waited getting called out and going around the track slowly as instructed by the time we got to the start finish line it said 1.55.30. When we all stopped it said 15.30.

Everyone from our lobby can agree this is what Happend including a few people from my stream (wasn't recorded unfortunately)

We should not be 4/5 miles under lobby B.

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