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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by Ax4x Mikey J on Thu 4 Oct 2018 - 16:08

HCCR COLONEL wrote:As i sit back and read the decision on the fuel mishap in round 3 i have only true facts to say...tora staff involved with that decision you need to rethink your job titles for this site as it was stated before the race that fuel was not an issue and no pits were needed. You didnt test all the scenarios as you always fail to do costing a driver who clearly had a clean race...no mishaps and would you believe it to the surprise of all the tora staff and testers who spent so much time and effort into making sure that no way could we need a pit stop with these open adjustment final gear spec cars...he ran out of fuel. Gee how hilarious. Your a joke. You test only the ways you want your cars setup. You have no imagination into thinking oh maybe someone else may run a tune setup that may use more fuel.  Whats the point of the final drive adjustment if you make us lock in to your approved setting just so we wouldnt need to pit. Lets put a quickstop in to assure no issues. Nope. Its the drivers fault for not pitting when it was said no worries we wont need to pit. Sorry to those who think outside the box when tuning. Tora staff dont care if you do. CC MSport has my respect and should get something for not making a crap show of the event being held.  Since you dont get paid to do a job i guess its what we get as racers for thinking someone would use what we call a brain and make it right for a screwup on tora staffs ignorance .

So Race 2 was a tad too long it seems. By how much? A lap or two at most?

There's a reason many series don't require pit stops right now: Cars disappear for others after pit stops. It's a FM7 day one glitch that still recurs. It's a huge pain, and is the main reason Trans Am is two sprints rather than a long feature race.

But you've gotten up on your soapbox again to draw some obviously much needed attention to yourself. Hope that rush you got carries you through the day.


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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by SFM Darkzer on Thu 4 Oct 2018 - 16:27

HCCR COLONEL wrote:As i sit back and read the decision on the fuel mishap in round 3 i have only true facts to say...tora staff involved with that decision you need to rethink your job titles for this site as it was stated before the race that fuel was not an issue and no pits were needed. You didnt test all the scenarios as you always fail to do costing a driver who clearly had a clean race...no mishaps and would you believe it to the surprise of all the tora staff and testers who spent so much time and effort into making sure that no way could we need a pit stop with these open adjustment final gear spec cars...he ran out of fuel. Gee how hilarious. Your a joke. You test only the ways you want your cars setup. You have no imagination into thinking oh maybe someone else may run a tune setup that may use more fuel.  Whats the point of the final drive adjustment if you make us lock in to your approved setting just so we wouldnt need to pit. Lets put a quickstop in to assure no issues. Nope. Its the drivers fault for not pitting when it was said no worries we wont need to pit. Sorry to those who think outside the box when tuning. Tora staff dont care if you do. CC MSport has my respect and should get something for not making a crap show of the event being held.  Since you dont get paid to do a job i guess its what we get as racers for thinking someone would use what we call a brain and make it right for a screwup on tora staffs ignorance .

Hi Colonel, let me try to answer this for you.

In a series with multiple cars, staff determine the minimum pit stop requirement based on the car that is least fuel efficient. In a spec series like this one, the pit stop requirement (or lack thereof) is based on the fuel tank size of the car being raced. Some series, like Spec Cup, are structured such that you use most of or all of the fuel in the car over a stint/race. It is each driver's responsibility to make sure they have enough fuel in the car to complete the race within the required stops.

Now, I have personally gotten it wrong and run out of gas before! Sometimes you take a calculated risk with a tune, or forget to ride the clutch on the outlap, or whatever else, and it doesn't work. That's not the fault of staff, and sometimes it's just a simple miscalculation from the driver.

As Mikey has said, there is a persistent issue with cars turning invisible with the use of quickstops, and sometimes without! This puts us in a tricky spot, since including a quickstop instantly takes the fuel math out of the driver's hands, but increases the chance that the whole race will "go to heck in a hand basket" because of invisible cars. I should also point out the pits were open in Spec if someone really wanted to pit.

Granted, I was not present last night so I don't know what specifically was said with regard to one driver running out of gas, but when we say "you won't need to pit", it generally can be interpreted as "if you did a full fuel run and your car is set up properly to the race distance, you won't need to pit." That's not meant as a dig to anyone, just if you know the race distance, you can make your car complete the distance on a single stop, since these race lengths are calculated based on a full tank, including the out lap.

It is a little bit absurd to expect us to test the full extremes of tuning for a spec series. Just because you can tune a car a certain way doesn't mean it will be viable for a given round.

So kudos to MSport for trying something different, but unfortunately it wasn't a good match for this round.


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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by AMS GGRacing on Thu 4 Oct 2018 - 16:42

Also, have gear changes vs stock gears. I was drafting Mead & I knew I was gonna be out of fuel but I didn't know when. When I heard MSport was out of fuel, I knew mine gonna be out in next lap. But... MSport had no draft, I had draft & battling Mead.
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by SVR Solar on Thu 4 Oct 2018 - 17:07

CC GGRacing wrote:Also, have gear changes vs stock gears. I was drafting Mead & I knew I was gonna be out of fuel but I didn't know when. When I heard MSport was out of fuel, I knew mine gonna be out in next lap. But... MSport had no draft, I had draft & battling Mead.

im sorry that Msport ran out of fuel, but i don't see how that is MrDriv3's fault everyone else bar him was able to make it to the end, with Draft or Not, stuff like this happens, use it as a learning experience, Test with Sim or Fuel and Tyres and you'll be able to Sort out any of these issues for the future Smile
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by AMS GGRacing on Thu 4 Oct 2018 - 19:23

SVR Solar wrote:
CC GGRacing wrote:Also, have gear changes vs stock gears. I was drafting Mead & I knew I was gonna be out of fuel but I didn't know when. When I heard MSport was out of fuel, I knew mine gonna be out in next lap. But... MSport had no draft, I had draft & battling Mead.

I'm sorry that Msport ran out of fuel, but I don't see how that is MrDriv3's fault everyone else bar him was able to make it to the end, with Draft or Not, stuff like this happens, use it as a learning experience, Test with Sim or Fuel and Tyres and you'll be able to Sort out any of these issues for the future Smile
Yeah, I understand man. He is very new to TORA & he just confuses sometimes. Plus, we been using same tune since Round 1
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by HCCR COLONEL on Thu 4 Oct 2018 - 20:18

As always the red names come to the rescue to come up with a load of horse crap to make things all better. Delete my name from this peice of crap site you call a racing site. Blow your smoke up someone elses butts from now on. And mikey i do feel good so suck a big fat one
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by F4H Diablo on Fri 5 Oct 2018 - 14:18

HCCR COLONEL wrote:As i sit back and read the decision on the fuel mishap in round 3 i have only true facts to say...tora staff involved with that decision you need to rethink your job titles for this site as it was stated before the race that fuel was not an issue and no pits were needed. You didnt test all the scenarios as you always fail to do costing a driver who clearly had a clean race...no mishaps and would you believe it to the surprise of all the tora staff and testers who spent so much time and effort into making sure that no way could we need a pit stop with these open adjustment final gear spec cars...he ran out of fuel. Gee how hilarious. Your a joke. You test only the ways you want your cars setup. You have no imagination into thinking oh maybe someone else may run a tune setup that may use more fuel.  Whats the point of the final drive adjustment if you make us lock in to your approved setting just so we wouldnt need to pit. Lets put a quickstop in to assure no issues. Nope. Its the drivers fault for not pitting when it was said no worries we wont need to pit. Sorry to those who think outside the box when tuning. Tora staff dont care if you do. CC MSport has my respect and should get something for not making a crap show of the event being held.  Since you dont get paid to do a job i guess its what we get as racers for thinking someone would use what we call a brain and make it right for a screwup on tora staffs ignorance .

So it's the responsibility of the Staff to test the car for the drivers and make sure it doesn't run out of gas, not the responsibility of the driver to test the car for fuel mileage, adjust driving style/tune as required, or simply read their fuel gauge...

Gee, that's sounds smart. You should write a book of "Colonel's Smart Ideas", and fill it with more smart ideas just like this one. I'll buy a copy and put it on my shelf with other smart things. It'll complete the shelf. I'll rename it the "Smart Shrine". It'll be great. And smart.


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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by AMS GGRacing on Fri 5 Oct 2018 - 19:37

F4H Diablo wrote:
HCCR COLONEL wrote:As I sit back and read the decision on the fuel mishap in round 3 I have only true facts to say...Tora staff involved with that decision you need to rethink your job titles for this site as it was stated before the race that fuel was not an issue and no pits were needed. You didn't test all the scenarios as you always fail to do costing a driver who clearly had a clean race...no mishaps and would you believe it to the surprise of all the Tora staff and testers who spent so much time and effort into making sure that no way could we need a pit stop with these open adjustment final gear spec cars...he ran out of fuel. Gee how hilarious. You're a joke. You test only the ways you want your cars setup. You have no imagination into thinking oh maybe someone else may run a tune setup that may use more fuel.  What's the point of the final drive adjustment if you make us lock into your approved setting just so we wouldn't need to pit. Lets put a quick stop in to assure no issues. Nope. Its the driver's fault for not pitting when it was said no worries we won't need to pit. Sorry to those who think outside the box when tuning. Tora staff don't care if you do. CC MSport has my respect and should get something for not making a crap show of the event being held.  Since you don't get paid to do a job I guess its what we get as racers for thinking someone would use what we call a brain and make it right for a screw-up on Tora staffs ignorance.

So it's the responsibility of the Staff to test the car for the drivers and make sure it doesn't run out of gas, not the responsibility of the driver to test the car for fuel mileage, adjust driving style/tune as required, or simply read their fuel gauge...

Gee, that's sounds smart. You should write a book of "Colonel's Smart Ideas", and fill it with more smart ideas just like this one. I'll buy a copy and put it on my shelf with other smart things. It'll complete the shelf. I'll rename it the "Smart Shrine". It'll be great. And smart.

Clearly, me & MSport been using the same tune as Round 1 & I did that much laps to test it out. I haven't run out of gas when I was practicing so idk it was a glitch of gas or what is happening.
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by HCCR COLONEL on Mon 8 Oct 2018 - 0:37

F4H Diablo wrote:
HCCR COLONEL wrote:As i sit back and read the decision on the fuel mishap in round 3 i have only true facts to say...tora staff involved with that decision you need to rethink your job titles for this site as it was stated before the race that fuel was not an issue and no pits were needed. You didnt test all the scenarios as you always fail to do costing a driver who clearly had a clean race...no mishaps and would you believe it to the surprise of all the tora staff and testers who spent so much time and effort into making sure that no way could we need a pit stop with these open adjustment final gear spec cars...he ran out of fuel. Gee how hilarious. Your a joke. You test only the ways you want your cars setup. You have no imagination into thinking oh maybe someone else may run a tune setup that may use more fuel.  Whats the point of the final drive adjustment if you make us lock in to your approved setting just so we wouldnt need to pit. Lets put a quickstop in to assure no issues. Nope. Its the drivers fault for not pitting when it was said no worries we wont need to pit. Sorry to those who think outside the box when tuning. Tora staff dont care if you do. CC MSport has my respect and should get something for not making a crap show of the event being held.  Since you dont get paid to do a job i guess its what we get as racers for thinking someone would use what we call a brain and make it right for a screwup on tora staffs ignorance .

So it's the responsibility of the Staff to test the car for the drivers and make sure it doesn't run out of gas, not the responsibility of the driver to test the car for fuel mileage, adjust driving style/tune as required, or simply read their fuel gauge...

Gee, that's sounds smart. You should write a book of "Colonel's Smart Ideas", and fill it with more smart ideas just like this one. I'll buy a copy and put it on my shelf with other smart things. It'll complete the shelf. I'll rename it the "Smart Shrine". It'll be great. And smart.
oh hi diablo...you got a little brown stuff still left on your nose from having it so far up all of their butts so take my book you wanted to buy and wipe it off cause its causing everything coming out of your mouth to smell like your nose. Hope to hear from you soon poop nose
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by F4H Diablo on Mon 8 Oct 2018 - 13:40

HCCR COLONEL wrote:
F4H Diablo wrote:
HCCR COLONEL wrote:As i sit back and read the decision on the fuel mishap in round 3 i have only true facts to say...tora staff involved with that decision you need to rethink your job titles for this site as it was stated before the race that fuel was not an issue and no pits were needed. You didnt test all the scenarios as you always fail to do costing a driver who clearly had a clean race...no mishaps and would you believe it to the surprise of all the tora staff and testers who spent so much time and effort into making sure that no way could we need a pit stop with these open adjustment final gear spec cars...he ran out of fuel. Gee how hilarious. Your a joke. You test only the ways you want your cars setup. You have no imagination into thinking oh maybe someone else may run a tune setup that may use more fuel.  Whats the point of the final drive adjustment if you make us lock in to your approved setting just so we wouldnt need to pit. Lets put a quickstop in to assure no issues. Nope. Its the drivers fault for not pitting when it was said no worries we wont need to pit. Sorry to those who think outside the box when tuning. Tora staff dont care if you do. CC MSport has my respect and should get something for not making a crap show of the event being held.  Since you dont get paid to do a job i guess its what we get as racers for thinking someone would use what we call a brain and make it right for a screwup on tora staffs ignorance .

So it's the responsibility of the Staff to test the car for the drivers and make sure it doesn't run out of gas, not the responsibility of the driver to test the car for fuel mileage, adjust driving style/tune as required, or simply read their fuel gauge...

Gee, that's sounds smart. You should write a book of "Colonel's Smart Ideas", and fill it with more smart ideas just like this one. I'll buy a copy and put it on my shelf with other smart things. It'll complete the shelf. I'll rename it the "Smart Shrine". It'll be great. And smart.
oh hi diablo...you got a little brown stuff still left on your nose from having it so far up all of their butts so take my book you wanted to buy and wipe it off cause its causing everything coming out of your mouth to smell like your nose. Hope to hear from you soon poop nose

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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by SFM Darkzer on Mon 8 Oct 2018 - 14:41

That's enough of that.


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Post by LMR Harmonic on Mon 8 Oct 2018 - 16:22

HCCR COLONEL wrote:oh hi diablo...you got a little brown stuff still left on your nose from having it so far up all of their butts so take my book you wanted to buy and wipe it off cause its causing everything coming out of your mouth to smell like your nose. Hope to hear from you soon poop nose
Yo who gave this man the dumb
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by F4H Venom on Mon 8 Oct 2018 - 16:52

Another day another person at Tora who has the dumb. Is anyone surprised? Probably not
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Re: 2018 Fiat 124 Spider General Chat

Post by SFM Darkzer on Mon 8 Oct 2018 - 17:24

What did I say?

Be nice, yo.


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Post by EZT MAKO 6669 on Tue 9 Oct 2018 - 16:00

HCCR COLONEL wrote:As always the red names come to the rescue to come up with a load of horse crap to make things all better. Delete my name from this peice of crap site you call a racing site. Blow your smoke up someone elses butts from now on.  And mikey i do feel good so suck a big fat one

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