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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by nickyf1 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 12:49

spec systems I think. If not, they all have to be battery powered, they have to put out a certain amount of kW and they can be used for the same amount of time before being ''recharged''...

I'm all for proper KERS that helps you win races, but this is just a glorified push to pass.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by i redbeard on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 13:18

In the turbo era they had boost buttons which were essentially 'push to pass'. Not as widely governed by anyone other than the drivers though - which I think is what irks you?
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Post by nickyf1 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 14:00

Absolutely. The turbo ''P2P'' that you mention came about through actually having the turbo's in the first place. KERS (in the form it is now) is simply a gimmick, but as I said, i'm all for hybrid systems in motorsport, but it must be left alone to the individual teams interpretation, wether they want to use it or not, and wether or not they want to use it as a push to pass or as a continuous power output to improve fuel economy and make the engines last longer.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by Slider S15 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 15:46

My only gripe with KERS at the moment is that teams are limited in its output. Having been to a technological lecture on KERS by the people who built the Williams system in 2009 i can tell you that F1 teams are limited to using about 18% of the systems capable output which makes it incredibly inefficient.

I say let teams run KERS to its fullest extent to really allow the technology to develop!
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by AMR of the Apex on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 15:48



The music may be dreadful, but this may be a factor in why races such as last night happened.


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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by lfcnicklfc on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 15:49

nickyf1 wrote:Absolutely. The turbo ''P2P'' that you mention came about through actually having the turbo's in the first place. KERS (in the form it is now) is simply a gimmick, but as I said, i'm all for hybrid systems in motorsport, but it must be left alone to the individual teams interpretation, wether they want to use it or not, and wether or not they want to use it as a push to pass or as a continuous power output to improve fuel economy and make the engines last longer.

so when we see the top teams using similar system in sportscar racing i'm expecting you to have the same outlook or i'm gonna slaaap ya
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by nickyf1 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 18:12

Nick, if you read my post properly I mention that I am all for KERS, just not in the form of a gimmick, i'd rather it did something useful.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by lfcnicklfc on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 18:43

well what else could KERS be used for really??
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by CQR Senna on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 18:46

Phone charger?
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by Richy59 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 19:00

I dunno what you guys are complaining about, I enjoyed it. Was a hell of a lot more entertaining that last season's opener and a number of other races last year.


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Post by nickyf1 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 19:01

lfcnicklfc wrote:well what else could KERS be used for really??

You can use it to increase the power of a car constantly, which would mean engines can last longer, and less fuel is used. Exactly how KERS is used in Sportscars.

Its the ''seven seconds a lap, recharged every lap'' bit that I have troubles with. That isn't useful for developing KERS technology.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by VVV Slim on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 19:04

I don't understand, what do you want? For the drivers to be holding a button for the whole lap Question

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Post by Richy59 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 19:13

I liked how the KERS was useful at keeping the cars using the DRS at bay, just like Massa and Button at the start of the race. I think it's a pretty good thing.


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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by its troff on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 19:25

I fell asleep three twice through the race...and that only usually happens at Valencia Sad

The problem with KERS is that theres a guy who's holding a button to overtake another driver who's also holding the same button in his car. I reckon the DRS system and it's on screen graphics are far too complicated too, and it's only going to push away the kind of viewer they're hoping to attract with more overtaking.
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Post by nickyf1 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 19:29

VVV Slim wrote:I don't understand, what do you want? For the drivers to be holding a button for the whole lap Question

No, not like that at all! The way KERS is implemented in F1 is merely a gimmick. F1 KERS and DRS is just manufactured ''racing'': not the spirit of true Grand Prix racing.

In Sportscar Racing, KERS is not required by regulation, and in the next few years, teams may be free to use their own KERS/Hybrid system if they wish. These systems would not be limited to a push to pass button, but would be used to take a load off the engine to conserve both fuel and engines.

In F1, KERS is mandatory, and your KERS system MUST be battery powered, it MUST put out a set number of kW, it MUST be implemented in a Push to Pass style to ''spice up'' the racing.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by nickyf1 on Sun 27 Mar 2011 - 19:30

its troff wrote:I fell asleep three twice through the race...and that only usually happens at Valencia Sad

The problem with KERS is that theres a guy who's holding a button to overtake another driver who's also holding the same button in his car. I reckon the DRS system and it's on screen graphics are far too complicated too, and it's only going to push away the kind of viewer they're hoping to attract with more overtaking.

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by its troff on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 10:37

Re the Saubers: I can't understand the logic of only checking the car at the end of the first race. I know parts can be changed etc so you would need to put them into parc ferme still. But as we've seen with the diffusers, the rules can be interpreted differently. It just makes sense to give them a once over before anyone (but Ferrari) gets a nasty suprise.

It's like the fourth official not checking a football sub before they came on, then after the match taking away the goal they scored because their studs were sharp and they were still wearing their wedding ring.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by CQR Rogue on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 11:10

They should have gone the flywheel system which Williams devloped for Porsche Hyprid, more green more effiecent but any way.

Race -
Was ok,
liked DC and MB commentary kept me awake
Lewis did well
Petrov was on fire
Alonso was ringing the neck out of the ferrari
Webber - Got lost after red Bull Swapped his Chasis for a TORO Rosso and decided to think about hmmmm V8s is very tempting now
Button and Massa - sticked liked glue
Sauber - Well they should of read the rules not just the french section "what is this, we can lets say run with a big ole in our wings"
Mercdes - obvious all was not working, schui got re-ended by a small bull and nico got shunted by barechilo, rubbens I have a free eye test if you need it
Williams good job except for the above
TORO and Force India, well in the midfeild where we expected to see the, fair play to Paul
Nick the Heidfield Nick, was recording an art podcast while driving
Lotus not the real lotus but the lotus that some 1 sold the name lotus but wait is that real lotus or non lotus, fail fail fail fail, dont promise us oh yes we can match force india no no no
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by narboza22 on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 18:11

I think i heard somewhere that Williams is using a battery based KERS because their flywheel system won't fit in the car now that it has to have a larger fuel tank due to no refueling.
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by nickyf1 on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 18:40

nope, battery systems are required by regulation.
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Post by narboza22 on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 20:37

Are they? I don't see that anywhere in the regulations. I thought that the rules on KERS were the same as 2009.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8699/fia.html
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by lfcnicklfc on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 21:25



A possible explanation for why Heidfeld struggled so much during the race!
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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by johnnyboy360 on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 22:14

WOW! Didnt see that!

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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by Radiation Louis on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 22:19

nickyf1 wrote:
VVV Slim wrote:I don't understand, what do you want? For the drivers to be holding a button for the whole lap Question

No, not like that at all! The way KERS is implemented in F1 is merely a gimmick. F1 KERS and DRS is just manufactured ''racing'': not the spirit of true Grand Prix racing.

In Sportscar Racing, KERS is not required by regulation, and in the next few years, teams may be free to use their own KERS/Hybrid system if they wish. These systems would not be limited to a push to pass button, but would be used to take a load off the engine to conserve both fuel and engines.

In F1, KERS is mandatory, and your KERS system MUST be battery powered, it MUST put out a set number of kW, it MUST be implemented in a Push to Pass style to ''spice up'' the racing.

First off in Bold- At Petit LeMans Porsche wasn't using it to "take a load off the engine" they were using it as a "push to pass" the 3 drivers stated numerous time that they would use that plus the throttle to get out of the corners quicker so they could get through traffic faster... no load off of engine there. and they also were only allowed to use it for 7 seconds a lap as well.

in italics- how do you mean push to pass? if you mean only when they are passing another car then explain why leading drivers of another car were allowed to use it in order to defend their position, and why were drivers that were ways behind allowed to use it to catch up to other competitors?


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Re: 2011 Formula 1 Qantas Australian Grand Prix

Post by lfcnicklfc on Mon 28 Mar 2011 - 22:38

johnnyboy360 wrote:WOW! Didnt see that!

absolutely no one did, as there was no coverage of his race at all that's the first i've seen of that damage, same with most people as well!
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